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Ian Jobling's avatar

I disagree with the notion that the state is capable of defining what is right for everyone and think that efforts to do so often lead to more harm than good. I use weed daily and am firmly convinced that it is right for me to do so because it helps me to live a more productive, saner life. Weed use makes me reflective and imaginative, which are very desirable states for someone who wishes to be a writer, as I do. It also tends to make me less emotional, so I'm less prone to the manic anger that used to hobble me. I'm confident that I would be miserable without it.

All assessments of what counts as a vice are inevitably based on incomplete information and the biases of those who get to decide. Policy makers are mostly not weed users and assume that it is negative, so they try to measure its negative effects. But that means that they don't take into account the potential positive effects of so-called "vices." Who has ever attempted to measure the psychological and social benefits that drug use brings? And the same consideration applies to other vices.

I agree that greater liberalization can sometimes lead to negative outcomes, and I would be open to the notion that some outcomes are so clearly negative that we ought to outlaw them. But I think that all such efforts should meet very high standards of evidence, and I don't think weed use does.

I think that policy decisions about "vices" should take into account the views of people who view those vices as life-enhancing. If a bunch of non-weed users or sexual puritans make decisions about drug use and pornography, those decisions will inevitably be biased, and the cure might well be worse than the disease. When we make decisions about drugs or pornography, we should seek the input of drug and porn users, and I don't think anyone is doing that.

Daniel Greco's avatar

I agree with pretty much everything here and still want to think of myself as a "liberal". I tend to think the principled, "neutrality between competing conceptions of the good" version of liberalism was always a non-starter. For one, it never had a principled answer to the question of why it's legitimate for the state to say you can't walk around public spaces with a boom box blaring at 120 decibels, but not legitimate for the state to say you can't walk around public spaces wearing really ugly clothes. That is, the question of what counts as "harm" of the sort the state can legitimately regulate can't be answered in a value neutral way.

So I like a thin, "modus vivendi" sort of liberalism. In large, pluralistic societies with people who vary along lines of religion, ethnicity, culture, and lots more, there are going to be lots of questions where its wise for the state to remain as neutral as possible. The wars of religion in Europe teach us that if you try to have a state religion in a religiously diverse country, there will be a lot of conflict over just what it should be, and things could get very bloody. So we should be looking for compromises, rather than each of us trying to get the state to adopt the religion we think is true. And similar, though less extreme, considerations will support looking for compromises in many other areas of policy. But we shouldn't hastily generalize from the wisdom of a general disposition to look for compromises to some (likely incoherent) principle of liberal neutrality.

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